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TIFF Interview with ‘Freaks’ Co-Writers/Directors Zach Lipovsky & Adam B. Stein

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Fresh from the TIFF world premiere of Freaks, I was able to sit down with the film’s writers/directors – Adam B. Stein and Zach Lipovsky – to discuss casting, collaboration, and where the heck this film came from.

For more on Freaks, you can read Jacob’s full review here!


Kelly McNeely: So, Bruce Dern. He’s prolific! What was the experience like, working with him and having him around on the set?

Zach Lipovsky: I mean, Bruce is just an incredible powerhouse. He’s a fire that’s always burning. He’s really, really special – he lives completely in the moment. And this film is really interesting because he hasn’t done a science fiction film since 1971, and that’s because he really believes in characters and realism. He thinks science fiction films are all fake and baloney.

This film really took the different approach – this really is a film that’s grounded in people and their experience, and he really just latched on to that with his talons. It’s really exciting to see him because he’s also co-starring against a 7-year old. So to see a 7-year old and an 81-year old going at each other —

Adam B. Stein: You don’t see that very often on the screen, where there’s such an age split. I would say I can’t think of another movie that does that, but there’s probably examples that I’m not picking up. But just seeing them go at it together is really special. Bruce likes to work this way anyways, but we love working with improv.

So half of what they’re doing is scripted and half of it is riffing off the script, and they’re just talking through all these, you know, 20-30 minute takes where we’d capture just nuggets of brilliance. Then our really talented editor worked with us to build the scenes from that. But it gives it this really naturalistic quality, which is what we were going for. Which is why he was willing to do our film when he doesn’t typically do sci-fi films, because we were trying to create that natural relationship.

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Kelly: I know you’ve got this amazing powerhouse of a 7-year old actress, was there anything that you had to do to shield her from any of the more intense scenes?

Zach: We’re in the discovery section at TIFF, and she’s the discovery. Everyone kind of goes into the movie talking about Emile and Bruce, and comes out of it talking about her. She really just unloads this incredible performance. And it is very intense at a lot of places, but she’s so mature. Especially in the audition – she did this scene where she’s screaming and her nostrils are flaring and spit’s flying out of her mouth and we say cut and she’s like [excitedly] “That was so much fun! You guys are so great, this is so cool!”.

There were times where it got intense, but she always had a lot of support around her and Emile was a huge part of that. She’s just super mature so it never got into a weird place – she could see that it was work, and it was work that she was really excited about doing.

Adam: At the same time, the movie is very creepy. There’s one scene where there’s some other kids who come in to this environment, and they were… completely creeped out, these day player kids we had. One girl was like [emphatically] “This is haunted, this house is really haunted! There’s demons in here!”. We were like, poor girl, but… I think we’re doing something right?

Kelly: That’s probably a good sign, right? Speaking of that kind of haunted house feel, there’s a lot of different genres mixed in this gorgeous cocktail. Can you talk a little bit about the writing process and what you wanted to bring with it, and how that all came into being?

Zach: Some people have described this movie as a kitchen sink of genre because it really changes as you watch the film. And that’s because the film is told through the perspective of a 7-year old girl.

So at the very beginning, she doesn’t know what’s outside her doorstep. It’s very mystery driven, and she’s quite scared, so in the beginning it feels like a horror film. But then she does get outside and the world is a complete wonder to her, and it feels like an 80s Spielberg movie. Everything is new and beautiful and she can’t imagine it, and it keeps twisting and twisting and so it really has all sorts of different flavors.

We just kept asking ourselves, what would it be like for a child. It was largely based on Adam’s experience as a father and his 4-year old son.

Adam: We kept at it from “what would the world feel like through her eyes”. Rather than trying to put it into a certain genre or category, we just kept coming back to the character and having her drive the story.

Kelly: And on the topic of doing it through the perspective of a 7-year old, Freaks speaks to those parental fears that everyone has, that can come out as helicopter parenting or perpetuated prejudice that goes through generations – how did you figure out how to present that from a child’s perspective? Because there are some pretty big themes there.

Adam: I think – like Zach said – it was initially inspired by watching my son grow up and just being fascinated by his perspective on the world. Things that were completely imaginary, he thought were very real. And things that were normal to us, he would find terrifying. You know, a car alarm goes off and he would freak out. And we just thought that that was fascinating, to imagine what it would be like to be him. Especially in a world that was strange – that was dangerous – and how that might feel and how that could drive a story.

In terms of the parental fears… as a parent, you try to protect your kid. You try and shelter them and try and shield them, and sometimes you do it well, and sometimes you do it poorly. Emile’s character is a father who’s trapped himself in this house with his daughter for seven years. He has had no guidance or training on how to be a dad —

Kelly: No baby books

Adam: No! No baby books, no parenthood classes, no grandparents to tell you how to do it… So he’s kind of screwing up in some ways. But he’s also doing his best. And we also wanted to be honest and raw about that. To show a parent who was trying his best, but who wasn’t really good at it, and what that would look like and feel like.

Zach: It was also Emile’s first time playing a father and he had just become a father recently, and that was really why he responded to the material – because it spoke to those experiences.

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Panic Fest 2024 Review: ‘The Ceremony Is About To Begin’

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People will look for answers and belonging in the darkest places and the darkest people. The Osiris Collective is a commune predicated upon ancient Egyptian theology and was run by the mysterious Father Osiris. The group boasted dozens of members, each forgoing their old lives for one held in the Egyptian themed land owned by Osiris in Northern California. But the good times take a turn for the worst when in 2018, an upstart member of the collective named Anubis (Chad Westbrook Hinds) reports Osiris disappearing while mountain climbing and declaring himself the new leader. A schism ensued with many members leaving the cult under Anubis’ unhinged leadership. A documentary is being made by a young man named Keith (John Laird) whose fixation with The Osiris Collective stems from his girlfriend Maddy leaving him for the group several years ago. When Keith gets invited to document the commune by Anubis himself, he decides to investigate, only to get wrapped up in horrors he couldn’t even imagine…

The Ceremony Is About To Begin is the latest genre twisting horror film from Red Snow‘s Sean Nichols Lynch. This time tackling cultist horror along with a mockumentary style and the Egyptian mythology theme for the cherry on top. I was a big fan of Red Snow‘s subversiveness of the vampire romance sub-genre and was excited to see what this take would bring. While the movie has some interesting ideas and a decent tension between the meek Keith and the erratic Anubis, it just doesn’t exactly thread everything together in a succinct fashion.

The story begins with a true crime documentary style interviewing former members of The Osiris Collective and sets-up what led the cult to where it is now. This aspect of the storyline, especially Keith’s own personal interest in the cult, made it an interesting plotline. But aside from some clips later on, it doesn’t play as much a factor. The focus is largely on the dynamic between Anubis and Keith, which is toxic to put it lightly. Interestingly, Chad Westbrook Hinds and John Lairds are both credited as writers on The Ceremony Is About To Begin and definitely feel like they’re putting their all into these characters. Anubis is the very definition of a cult leader. Charismatic, philosophical, whimsical, and threateningly dangerous at the drop of a hat.

Yet strangely, the commune is deserted of all cult members. Creating a ghost town that only amps up the danger as Keith documents Anubis’ alleged utopia. A lot of the back and forth between them drags at times as they struggle for control and Anubis keeps continuing to convince Keith to stick around despite the threatening situation. This does lead to a pretty fun and bloody finale that fully leans into mummy horror.

Overall, despite meandering and having a bit of a slow pace, The ceremony Is About To Begin is a fairly entertaining cult, found footage, and mummy horror hybrid. If you want mummies, it delivers on mummies!

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“Mickey Vs. Winnie”: Iconic Childhood Characters Collide in A Terrifying Versus Slasher

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iHorror is diving deep into film production with a chilling new project that’s sure to redefine your childhood memories. We’re thrilled to introduce ‘Mickey vs. Winnie,’ a groundbreaking horror slasher directed by Glenn Douglas Packard. This isn’t just any horror slasher; it’s a visceral showdown between twisted versions of childhood favorites Mickey Mouse and Winnie-the-Pooh. ‘Mickey vs. Winnie’ brings together the now-public-domain characters from A. A. Milne’s ‘Winnie-the-Pooh’ books and Mickey Mouse from the 1920s ‘Steamboat Willie’ cartoon in a VS battle like never before seen.

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Set in the 1920s, the plot kicks off with a disturbing narrative about two convicts who escape into a cursed forest, only to be swallowed by its dark essence. Fast forward a hundred years, and the story picks up with a group of thrill-seeking friends whose nature getaway goes horribly wrong. They accidentally venture into the same cursed woods, finding themselves face-to-face with the now monstrous versions of Mickey and Winnie. What follows is a night filled with terror, as these beloved characters mutate into horrifying adversaries, unleashing a frenzy of violence and bloodshed.

Glenn Douglas Packard, an Emmy-nominated choreographer turned filmmaker known for his work on “Pitchfork,” brings a unique creative vision to this film. Packard describes “Mickey vs. Winnie” as a tribute to horror fans’ love for iconic crossovers, which often remain just a fantasy due to licensing restrictions. “Our film celebrates the thrill of combining legendary characters in unexpected ways, serving up a nightmarish yet exhilarating cinematic experience,” says Packard.

Produced by Packard and his creative partner Rachel Carter under the Untouchables Entertainment banner, and our very own Anthony Pernicka, founder of iHorror, “Mickey vs. Winnie” promises to deliver an entirely new take on these iconic figures. “Forget what you know about Mickey and Winnie,” Pernicka enthuses. “Our film portrays these characters not as mere masked figures but as transformed, live-action horrors that merge innocence with malevolence. The intense scenes crafted for this movie will change how you see these characters forever.”

Currently underway in Michigan, the production of “Mickey vs. Winnie” is a testament to pushing boundaries, which horror loves to do. As iHorror ventures into producing our own films, we’re excited to share this thrilling, terrifying journey with you, our loyal audience. Stay tuned for more updates as we continue to transform the familiar into the frightful in ways you’ve never imagined.

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Mike Flanagan Comes Aboard To Assist in Completion of ‘Shelby Oaks’

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If you have been following Chris Stuckmann on YouTube you are aware of the struggles he has had getting his horror movie Shelby Oaks finished. But there’s good news about the project today. Director Mike Flanagan (Ouija: Origin Of Evil, Doctor Sleep and The Haunting) is backing the film as a co-executive producer which might bring it much closer to being released. Flanagan is a part of the collective Intrepid Pictures which also includes Trevor Macy and Melinda Nishioka.

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Shelby Oaks

Stuckmann is a YouTube movie critic who’s been on the platform for over a decade. He came under some scrutiny for announcing on his channel two years ago that he would no longer be reviewing films negatively. However contrary to that statement, he did a non-review essay of the panned Madame Web recently saying, that studios strong-arm directors to make films just for the sake of keeping failing franchises alive. It seemed like a critique disguised as a discussion video.

But Stuckmann has his own movie to worry about. In one of Kickstarter’s most successful campaigns, he managed to raise over $1 million for his debut feature film Shelby Oaks which now sits in post-production. 

Hopefully, with Flanagan and Intrepid’s help, the road to Shelby Oak’s completion is reaching its end. 

“It’s been inspiring to watch Chris working toward his dreams over the past few years, and the tenacity and DIY spirit he displayed while bringing Shelby Oaks to life reminded me so much of my own journey over a decade ago,” Flanagan told Deadline. “It’s been an honor to walk a few steps with him on his path, and to offer support for Chris’ vision for his ambitious, unique movie. I can’t wait to see where he goes from here.”

Stuckmann says Intrepid Pictures has inspired him for years and, “it’s a dream come true to work with Mike and Trevor on my first feature.”

Producer Aaron B. Koontz of Paper Street Pictures has been working with Stuckmann since the beginning is also excited about the collaboration.

“For a film that had such a hard time getting going, it’s remarkable the doors that then opened to us,” said Koontz. “The success of our Kickstarter followed by the on-going leadership and guidance from Mike, Trevor, and Melinda is beyond anything I could have hoped for.”

Deadline describes the plot of Shelby Oaks as follows:

“A combination of documentary, found footage, and traditional film footage styles, Shelby Oaks centers on Mia’s (Camille Sullivan) frantic search for her sister, Riley, (Sarah Durn) who ominously disappeared in the last tape of her “Paranormal Paranoids” investigative series. As Mia’s obsession grows, she begins to suspect that the imaginary demon from Riley’s childhood may have been real.”

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