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TADFF: The Pierce Brothers on ‘The Wretched’ and the Love of Horror

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Written and directed by brothers Brett and Drew Pierce, The Wretched grips your imagination with its creative creature and inventive lore that crafts a fascinating and terrifying tale of a skin-stealing, child-eating wretch.

The film is a dark fairy tale that carries the sensibilities of a classic 80s horror with the spark of a modern indie horror. Speaking with the Pierce brothers at Toronto After Dark about their inspirations and their love for the horror genre, it’s easy to see how this fright-film film came into existence.

Carry on to read our revealing conversation, and click here to read my full TADFF review of The Wretched.


Kelly McNeely: So what was the genesis of The Wretched — where did this movie come from?

Drew Pierce: Our love of witch movies. Our love of witch stories and witch movies.

Brett Pierce: Actually, I mean, a lot of it starts with the Roald Dahl movie, The Witches. We read the book were kids and we loved it, and we love the movie —

Drew Pierce: It scared the shit out of us!

Brett Pierce: And I think we just always wanted to make a witch movie for that reason. And we wanted to lean a little more towards the creature aspect of a witch, less just a woman that does spells and curses. But I think also, I’m just a huge Hellboy comic nut — I own every Hellboy comic book, every spin off, and there’s a lot of witch stuff in that.

I was intrigued by all the folklore, so I went and read a bunch of witch folklore, and we found this one witch called Black Annie or Black Annis, which is a UK based witch that lives in a tree and eats children; she’s used as a scary story to make kids go to sleep. And she kind of looks like our witch. So we started with that, then we read a bunch of other witch myths and just stole the rules of other witches that we liked, and made the witch we wanted to work for our story.

Drew Pierce: There’s so many interesting myths, and most witch movies are just, it turns out that the witch is a ghost, you know? It’s a ghost of a woman who did evil things. We wanted to dive in and make it a full-on creature with its own set of rules.

Kelly McNeely: Yeah, less of a possession thing. Just, like, this is actually a witch who has these influences, and it’s genuinely terrifying. And the practical effects were amazing, can you talk a little bit about that?

Drew Pierce: We’re obsessed with practical effects. We’ve always loved practical stuff. Growing up with our dad, who obviously is steeped in that world. We collaborated with this makeup team, lead by Eric Porn. It’s really challenging, but it’s a great collaboration. I’m a storyboard artist and designer, so I helped with a lot of the creature design and we passed stuff back and forth, and it was just a treat to work with him and we got to put that together. 

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The Wretched via IMDb

Brett Pierce: It was really cool because Drew did initial designs of the creature, like really cool graphic designs and showed those to Eric, and then Eric did a 3D model of what he thought it would be. And we figured out where we wanted to be in the middle, but then we went back to Michigan to prep and get ready to shoot, and he would send us pictures of the sculptures he was doing, and Drew would just take it and we could draw over it and be like, maybe thin the face out, move the nose a little more, blah blah, and send it back, and then a day later he would send us the updated version, and we did that until we had the witch that we liked.

Drew Pierce: It’s a real challenge with practical effects, because they only look good for a couple seconds on camera from, like, that one angle. So you really have to design and think about it in advance. The other challenge is, you can make something look really really cool in one frame if you over build it, but then there’s no mobility for if you have a creature actor, which we did. So that was that was kind of the big challenge.

Brett Pierce: That secret component to it is the actress that played the witch. Her name is Madelynn Stuenkel, she’s in the beginning of the movie when the babysitter goes into the basement — that’s actually the same girl that plays the witch in the end of the movie. But she just sent us this random tape of her doing creepy crawly stuff. And she’d never done any of this stuff before, but it was awesome.

She’s so tall, she’s also so thin, but she just has really long arms and really long legs, so we were like, let’s just work with her anatomy. We tried not to — like Drew was saying — not to be too thick in certain areas, because what made her creepy is that she was just this long, creepy creature. And honestly, we got really lucky, because she would do these movements where you’re like, “oh, do that again”. It wasn’t even our plan. It’s like, “oh, you dropped your shoulder so fast. It looks so creepy”. It was cool.

Kelly McNeely: I was gonna ask about that as well, how the witch and that physicality developed, because it’s so distinctive.

Drew Pierce: Funny enough, we reached out for casting the witch, we created this casting call for people trying to create their own authentic movements for our witch, and we got back some of the funniest tapes you’ve ever seen [both laugh].

Brett Pierce: People running at the camera screaming… 

Drew Pierce: Crawling, shifting just in weird ways… 

Brett Pierce: Weird voices…

Drew Pierce: And then Madelynn sent us her tape, and we were immediately like, this is the girl. She’s ripped, she’s just a really athletic person in general, but she did a couple of movements that were sort of impressionist of The Ring and The Grudge. But then she did these really cool contortion moves and a lot of stuff with her back, and sneaking around, they just felt animalistic.

Brett Pierce: And I think we always wanted to have sudden movements, because we were going to add a lot of bone crunching, celery rip sound effects. And we got really lucky with Zarah Mahler, who plays the woman who first gets possessed by the witch, because she did all the same type of stuff too. So it was cool, because she started kind of playing her first — that was some of the first stuff we shot — and Madelynn got to watch her do it. So they informed each other. And we ended up with a very consistent character, even though it’s played by multiple actors. 

Kelly McNeely: That opening scene as well, it really gets you. I love that you guys don’t hold back when it comes to how you deal with kids. Can you talk a little bit about that? Was there ever a time you were like, maybe we shouldn’t?

The Wretched via IMDb

Brett Pierce: I think because we were kids in the 80s, and kids had all these sort of horror movies, but also straight up horror movies where bad things happen to kids! And it was okay. And I learned what to be afraid of, I learned from that. But I feel like as time went on, we got so worried about kids being scared or making those type of movies. I think when we went into it, we didn’t even think about it. 

Drew Pierce: Yeah, to us, it’s just in our DNA.

Brett Pierce: And other people will point out like, “you have all this fun stuff early, can this stuff happen?” And we’re like… yeah! And they’re like, “but we like them”. And, yeah, you’re supposed to like them, so when bad things happen, it’s awful! 

Drew Pierce: And there was definitely talk about, how gory do you go? What do you show, because what’s entertainment and what’s just exploitative? So there is definitely a happy medium for that.

Brett Pierce: We’re big fans of hinting at things, like you can be gory, you also don’t have to be over the top. You can just give the people the pieces and they put the horror together in their mind. And that’s actually worse than just, I see everything happening and it’s awful.

Kelly McNeely: Yeah, you don’t have to be totally explicit. You can leave that little bit to the imagination, which makes it so much scarier – to fill in those blanks.

Brett Pierce: Yeah, exactly. And we just like making movies that way instead, that’s more our thing.

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Panic Fest 2024 Review: ‘The Ceremony Is About To Begin’

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People will look for answers and belonging in the darkest places and the darkest people. The Osiris Collective is a commune predicated upon ancient Egyptian theology and was run by the mysterious Father Osiris. The group boasted dozens of members, each forgoing their old lives for one held in the Egyptian themed land owned by Osiris in Northern California. But the good times take a turn for the worst when in 2018, an upstart member of the collective named Anubis (Chad Westbrook Hinds) reports Osiris disappearing while mountain climbing and declaring himself the new leader. A schism ensued with many members leaving the cult under Anubis’ unhinged leadership. A documentary is being made by a young man named Keith (John Laird) whose fixation with The Osiris Collective stems from his girlfriend Maddy leaving him for the group several years ago. When Keith gets invited to document the commune by Anubis himself, he decides to investigate, only to get wrapped up in horrors he couldn’t even imagine…

The Ceremony Is About To Begin is the latest genre twisting horror film from Red Snow‘s Sean Nichols Lynch. This time tackling cultist horror along with a mockumentary style and the Egyptian mythology theme for the cherry on top. I was a big fan of Red Snow‘s subversiveness of the vampire romance sub-genre and was excited to see what this take would bring. While the movie has some interesting ideas and a decent tension between the meek Keith and the erratic Anubis, it just doesn’t exactly thread everything together in a succinct fashion.

The story begins with a true crime documentary style interviewing former members of The Osiris Collective and sets-up what led the cult to where it is now. This aspect of the storyline, especially Keith’s own personal interest in the cult, made it an interesting plotline. But aside from some clips later on, it doesn’t play as much a factor. The focus is largely on the dynamic between Anubis and Keith, which is toxic to put it lightly. Interestingly, Chad Westbrook Hinds and John Lairds are both credited as writers on The Ceremony Is About To Begin and definitely feel like they’re putting their all into these characters. Anubis is the very definition of a cult leader. Charismatic, philosophical, whimsical, and threateningly dangerous at the drop of a hat.

Yet strangely, the commune is deserted of all cult members. Creating a ghost town that only amps up the danger as Keith documents Anubis’ alleged utopia. A lot of the back and forth between them drags at times as they struggle for control and Anubis keeps continuing to convince Keith to stick around despite the threatening situation. This does lead to a pretty fun and bloody finale that fully leans into mummy horror.

Overall, despite meandering and having a bit of a slow pace, The ceremony Is About To Begin is a fairly entertaining cult, found footage, and mummy horror hybrid. If you want mummies, it delivers on mummies!

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“Mickey Vs. Winnie”: Iconic Childhood Characters Collide in A Terrifying Versus Slasher

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iHorror is diving deep into film production with a chilling new project that’s sure to redefine your childhood memories. We’re thrilled to introduce ‘Mickey vs. Winnie,’ a groundbreaking horror slasher directed by Glenn Douglas Packard. This isn’t just any horror slasher; it’s a visceral showdown between twisted versions of childhood favorites Mickey Mouse and Winnie-the-Pooh. ‘Mickey vs. Winnie’ brings together the now-public-domain characters from A. A. Milne’s ‘Winnie-the-Pooh’ books and Mickey Mouse from the 1920s ‘Steamboat Willie’ cartoon in a VS battle like never before seen.

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Set in the 1920s, the plot kicks off with a disturbing narrative about two convicts who escape into a cursed forest, only to be swallowed by its dark essence. Fast forward a hundred years, and the story picks up with a group of thrill-seeking friends whose nature getaway goes horribly wrong. They accidentally venture into the same cursed woods, finding themselves face-to-face with the now monstrous versions of Mickey and Winnie. What follows is a night filled with terror, as these beloved characters mutate into horrifying adversaries, unleashing a frenzy of violence and bloodshed.

Glenn Douglas Packard, an Emmy-nominated choreographer turned filmmaker known for his work on “Pitchfork,” brings a unique creative vision to this film. Packard describes “Mickey vs. Winnie” as a tribute to horror fans’ love for iconic crossovers, which often remain just a fantasy due to licensing restrictions. “Our film celebrates the thrill of combining legendary characters in unexpected ways, serving up a nightmarish yet exhilarating cinematic experience,” says Packard.

Produced by Packard and his creative partner Rachel Carter under the Untouchables Entertainment banner, and our very own Anthony Pernicka, founder of iHorror, “Mickey vs. Winnie” promises to deliver an entirely new take on these iconic figures. “Forget what you know about Mickey and Winnie,” Pernicka enthuses. “Our film portrays these characters not as mere masked figures but as transformed, live-action horrors that merge innocence with malevolence. The intense scenes crafted for this movie will change how you see these characters forever.”

Currently underway in Michigan, the production of “Mickey vs. Winnie” is a testament to pushing boundaries, which horror loves to do. As iHorror ventures into producing our own films, we’re excited to share this thrilling, terrifying journey with you, our loyal audience. Stay tuned for more updates as we continue to transform the familiar into the frightful in ways you’ve never imagined.

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Mike Flanagan Comes Aboard To Assist in Completion of ‘Shelby Oaks’

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If you have been following Chris Stuckmann on YouTube you are aware of the struggles he has had getting his horror movie Shelby Oaks finished. But there’s good news about the project today. Director Mike Flanagan (Ouija: Origin Of Evil, Doctor Sleep and The Haunting) is backing the film as a co-executive producer which might bring it much closer to being released. Flanagan is a part of the collective Intrepid Pictures which also includes Trevor Macy and Melinda Nishioka.

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Shelby Oaks

Stuckmann is a YouTube movie critic who’s been on the platform for over a decade. He came under some scrutiny for announcing on his channel two years ago that he would no longer be reviewing films negatively. However contrary to that statement, he did a non-review essay of the panned Madame Web recently saying, that studios strong-arm directors to make films just for the sake of keeping failing franchises alive. It seemed like a critique disguised as a discussion video.

But Stuckmann has his own movie to worry about. In one of Kickstarter’s most successful campaigns, he managed to raise over $1 million for his debut feature film Shelby Oaks which now sits in post-production. 

Hopefully, with Flanagan and Intrepid’s help, the road to Shelby Oak’s completion is reaching its end. 

“It’s been inspiring to watch Chris working toward his dreams over the past few years, and the tenacity and DIY spirit he displayed while bringing Shelby Oaks to life reminded me so much of my own journey over a decade ago,” Flanagan told Deadline. “It’s been an honor to walk a few steps with him on his path, and to offer support for Chris’ vision for his ambitious, unique movie. I can’t wait to see where he goes from here.”

Stuckmann says Intrepid Pictures has inspired him for years and, “it’s a dream come true to work with Mike and Trevor on my first feature.”

Producer Aaron B. Koontz of Paper Street Pictures has been working with Stuckmann since the beginning is also excited about the collaboration.

“For a film that had such a hard time getting going, it’s remarkable the doors that then opened to us,” said Koontz. “The success of our Kickstarter followed by the on-going leadership and guidance from Mike, Trevor, and Melinda is beyond anything I could have hoped for.”

Deadline describes the plot of Shelby Oaks as follows:

“A combination of documentary, found footage, and traditional film footage styles, Shelby Oaks centers on Mia’s (Camille Sullivan) frantic search for her sister, Riley, (Sarah Durn) who ominously disappeared in the last tape of her “Paranormal Paranoids” investigative series. As Mia’s obsession grows, she begins to suspect that the imaginary demon from Riley’s childhood may have been real.”

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